Rebuttal of Time Magazine’s Article with only facts and logic.
Please don’t use ad homminem arguments to defame the journalist, use logic to rebut with facts. Ad homminem is for the stupid.
1) Taseer asserts “The cherished achievements of independent India–secularism, liberalism, a free press–came to be seen in the eyes of many as part of a grand conspiracy in which a deracinated Hindu elite, in cahoots with minorities from the monotheistic faiths, such as
2) Christianity and Islam, maintained its dominion over India’s Hindu majority.”
Taseer makes this assertion sound like something very bad/alarming without bothering to understand the motivations on both sides and offering any counter-view. This is a very primitive argument.
3) If India is truly secular then why is it that the Church owns the largest portion of non-agricultural land despite being a miniscule part of the population? Is this not an example of establishment being in cahoots with the minorities?
4) 4 lakh acres is the land Wakf properties account for as of 2009.
Wakf Acts The 1954 and 1995 central laws endow huge powers with the state governments that set up and run Wakf boards in their states
https://www.outlookindia.com/magazine/story/allahs-left-the-building/261789
5) Why is it that in a “secular” India only temples are under govt. control and mosques and churches are free to operate whilst they amass massive land banks. @AatishTaseer Do you not see the irony in this?
6) @AatishTaseer Don’t the above examples already demonstrate that minorites are maintaining a dominion over majority? I have used facts to disprove your claims which dismiss this idea as a conspiracy.
7)You also claimed that “The country had a long history of politically instigated sectarian riots, most notably the killing of at least 2,733 Sikhs in the streets of Delhi after the 1984 assassination of Indira Gandhi by her Sikh bodyguards. The Congress leadership, though hardly blameless, was able, even through the selective profession of secular ideals, to separate itself from the actions of the mob.”
8)Firstly what happened in 1984 was a state orchestrated Sikh genocide. These weren’t RIOTS unless by your apologetic definition even the Holocaust was an anti-Semitic riot.
9)Nanavati Commission report clearly mentions that the instructions to kill the Sikhs came directly from the PMO.
The then President & the Home Minister wanted to call in the Army but the decision was VETOED by ‘father of mob lynching’ PM Rajiv Gandhi.
10) Exactly how is Congress “SECULAR” by your definition despite 1984 is something only a bigot or an apologist could explain.
You blame Modi for not apologizing for Gujarat riots but you absolutely FAIL to mention that the army was called in Gujarat unlike secular 1984.
11) You also fail to mention that Modi had sent a letter requesting CMs of 3 neighboring states to immediately send additional police forces. It is a well known fact that police force ratio for population is really low.
Given below is the photocopy of the request to home min.
12) The source for the above pic and the letter sent to 3 CMs can all be found here. Why was army not deployed in 1984?
Instead of apologizing for 1984, Rajiv said “when a big tree falls, the Earth shakes.” Yet he is secular.
http://manushi.in/articles.php?articleId=1704#.XNZYVTAzbIU
13) Andy Marino writes in his book “Modi appealed to the Chief Ministers of Gujarat’s three neighbouring States — Ashok Gehlot in Rajasthan, the late Vilasrao Deshmukh in Maharashtra and Digvijay Singh in Madhya Pradesh — to send aid in the form of law enforcement and paramilitary personnel.”
14)The letters of request were sent to the three Congress Chief Ministers on March 1, barely a day after after the violence broke out. What was the response Marino notes, “Maharashtra eventually sent a very limited number of personnel to help, but the others flatly refused.” Why haven’t you mentioned why Congress ruled states didn’t help stop the riots by sending additional forces?
15)Modi did his best to tackle the riots, why should he apologize when he wasn’t the perpetrator?
16) In perfect display of your bias and selective secularism you failed to mention why is Congress silent on it’s cadres linked to the Godhra Carnage.
58 Hindus were burnt alive, mostly women and kids. 140 litres of petrol was stocked from before.
https://m.timesofindia.com/india/Cong-silent-on-cadres-linked-to-Guj-riots/articleshow/122796.cms
17) @AatishTaseer writes “in 1992 had destroyed a 16th century mosque, said to stand at the birthplace of the Hindu epic hero Ram”
This is pure bigotry. What do you mean by “said to stand”. The Archaeological Survey of India has already given proof that the temple existed. The same ASI which also had Muslim members who also agreed that a temple existed.
18)Also what do you mean by Hindu epic hero? Rām isn’t just some ‘epic hero’, he is the Supreme Personality of Godhead as per our Vedic texts. I dare you to say the same thing about Abrahamic faiths.
19) @AatishTaseer writes “They feel their culture and religion has been demeaned; they entertain fantasies of “Hinduphobia”. – BIGOT!
Exactly how Hinduphobic is @nytimes is displayed in the below article.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/how-the-nyt-masks-hinduph_b_5608266
20) @nytimes Also had to apologize for it’s racist, Hinduphobic cartoon on Mangalyaan success.
Those who deny Hinduphobia, Islamophobia and anti-Semitism are all bigots just like @AatishTaseer you are.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-29502062
21) Based on my above facts, racist @nytimes is rightly called “New Yuck Times”.
According to your article “cow protection mobs have killed at least 46 people since 2015”.
In a country of 1.3 BN people, 46 people killed in a span of roughly 4 years. Is this statistically significant enough to claim that there’s majoritarian violence?
22)In the Godhra carnage in 1 day 58 Hindus were burnt alive vs 46 people who were killed due to cow related violence in a span of 4 years.
I would believe that there’s a case for majoritarian violence if the data calculated based on % terms would prove that victims are mainly muslims.
23)Purely on the basis of a mathematical argument, if for every 100 humans 1 is a bigot perpetrator of hate crime then logically speaking the hate crime perps will always be more from the majority in any country, community at any point in time.
24)The only case when this would be alarming is when in % terms there’s a trend of perps being from a particular community.
Your argument is absolutely specious with no logical/statistical basis.
25)FYI 49 Muslims died in New Zealand in the mosque attack. 49 Muslims die in 1 day in NZ in a hate crimes vs 46 deaths in India due to cow related violence over FOUR YEARS!
Also the population of NZ is miniscule compared to that of India.
Truth is India needs better hate crime stats.
26) You also make a point lauding Nehru for his scientific temper but obviously omit to mention that he used to go to astrologers & tantriks. An astrologer had also warned Nehru of a Chinese attack coz of which Nehru flew into a rage.
27)Even J B S Haldane, polymath biologist, who was Marxist in his ideological leanings, was disenchanted by the dominance of bureaucracy and politicians in the scientific establishment in India during Nehru’s time, and criticised it.
Proof for above statements given in the article below.
28) You go on talking about all the controversial statements made by BJP leaders but carefully omit the statement of Owaisi who called for a genocide of Hindus in 15 mins.
India is so intolerant that the same Owaisi is roaming about freely. Ah the joy of secularim😍
29) You also omit the statement on Sikh genocide by Sam Pitroda “Hua to hua.”
You also fail to mention that increase in the Haj subsidy under Modi and the laptops etc given to modernize Madarsas.
Yes absolutely, so much hatred for Muslims.
30) “Modi’s record on women’s issues is spotty.” Really, I don’t understand why our secular govt. till now never banned tripal talaq when even the country most known for women empowerment Saudi Arabia has banned it.
31)6 women in cabinet compared to 4 during UPA. Also defence & 31) and MeA are extremely critical ministries both run by women.
Here in this link is a list of all schemes for women.
https://wcd.nic.in/schemes-listing/2405
Here are more details on the success of those schemes.
32) “Amit Shah, speaks of women as having the status of deities, ever the refuge of the religious chauvinist who is only too happy to revere women into silence.” So now you have a problem with deification of women?
Do you know anything about the idea of Shiva & Shakti? Hinduphobe!
33) “What Modi cannot–or will not–do is tell India the hard truth that if she wishes to be a great power, and not a Hindu theocracy, the medieval Indian past, mired in superstition and magic, must go under.”
This proves exactly how DERACINATED you are.
34)Unlike a racist like you who feels Indian culture = Superstitions we have a lot to be proud of.
Did you know that “A little known school of scholars in southwest India discovered one of the founding principles of modern mathematics hundreds of years before Newton “?
35) In 600 BCE, ancient Indian physician Sushruta performed nose surgeries & skin grafts and wrote treatises on the same.
This 2500 years ago!
Here giving you a proof from Sanghi Columbia University.
36) Thomas Sankara said “The greatest difficulty we have faced is the neocolonial spirit that exists in this country. We were colonized by a country, France that left us with certain habits. For us, being successful in life, being happy, meant trying to live as they do in France, like the richest of French.”
37)In a similar vein, success for imperialist elites like @AatishTaseer might be to live like the richest American/European however it will never be what success means for us India.
38)We worship Rām, although Ravana’s Lanka had all the material wealth and was literally built of gold. Rām signifies family values, egalitarianism yes think about the incident with Kevat and Shabari, compassion, valour, noblesse oblige, spirituality (discourses with various Saints) etc.
All values which vapid Western materialism can never replace.
39)Mukesh Ambani bailed out his brother. @Ra_Bies had drawn a parallel to how Munshi Premchand’s stories illustrated these same family values.
India will have it’s own values, it’s own definition of success, it’s own narrative. We won’t ape the West.
40) The name “Bhagavan” means the one who is full of all 6 opulences (bhaga), i.e., fame, beauty, wealth, knowledge, strength and sixth and most importantly renunciation. Ponder that if you can.
41)Also Indira may have forcibly inserted “secularism” in our Constitution but it will never be a part of Indian culture because Indian culture is PLURALISTIC just like all Indic religions. Secular France bans burqa and secular Italy bans Sikhs from carrying Kirpans. India respects all religions and that inherent pluralism is part of our culture.
42)The same West which is so “Enlightened” persecuted Galileo, Socrates etc and went on with Witch trials and Spanish Inquisition & what not.
Hindus can be atheists to like the followers of Carvaka philosophy. Hinduism never persecuted homosexuality, atheism etc.
43)And our greatest texts like Srimad Bhagvatam are thousands of pages of questions and answers sessions discussing rationally and logically doctrines of theism.
Very different from sky God books that demand believers and expect blind faith as compared to a culture which encourages curiosity – Brahma Jignasa, is supposed to be the foundation of every spiritual journey.
44)Dualistic doctrines of Abrahamic faiths will always find it difficult to grasp the beauty of non-dualism.
Suffice to say, INDIA WILL WRITE IT’S OWN DESTINY, AND NOT THE WEST.
(Thread by @WindsOfChange72)
https://twitter.com/windsofchange72/status/1126813466151403520
